An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. Noise complaints, and B46 would have to be detoured. Though Id suggest building a peak direction track on Utica Similar to the 6 and 7 lines. 5. That already will cost millions, possibly billions. Home; Blog; Nosotros; Contacto; Nuestros Clientes; Copia de Home V2; utica avenue abandoned station One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. If connected to the Second Avenue subway I feel that could provide another East Side alternative for passengers and help relieve pressure from the IRT lines. In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. Touring: F train to East Broadway. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. Eastern Py Utica Av. If you tried to create a branch off of Fulton for Utica it would be very costly and awkward, but not impossible. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. They must be pillar free for security. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. And another commenter hit upon phasing. Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. This also makes me question realigning existing radial services into SAS. A new station would therefore have to be built below the existing 3/4 Utica Ave station before continuing south. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. is still only two flights up. Well, thats essentially what IRT rolling stock is; its 3/4 of full size. This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. There is an active tower at the south end of the platform while a closed one exists on the east of the lower level. This would provide more flexibility, even though all the lines that would be connected have transfers to each other at Fulton Street in Manhattan. Its got limitations now, sure. still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. Skip stop on Fulton? It lets light through the middle Adding another train to Queens Blvd is a problem. With more TPH there will be less crowding at Franklin or Nevins. There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. [12], There are four stair entrances, all on Fulton Street:[13]. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? Charlestown USA Outlet Mall (Utica) This old, abandoned, former mill site was once one of the first shopping centers to locate in the Mohawk Valley. Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. And on what route? The MTA would then lease the land as a way to bring in continued revenue and the new development would help pay for the construction. If the C leaves, the A becomes even more crowded/congested. It will be an additional use of Bay Ridge, besides dropping the L into it, and thus help thwart the Triborough RX effort. So heres my workup for a design toolkit of el popularizing methods: 1. 2. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. Also as Vanshookenraggen stated, the IND Utica Av Station will have to be teared up and relocated. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. The 3 cannot be extended as, in order to get the most capacity out of the line, the Rogers Junction needs to be rebuilt and this will segregate local and express trains. While those numbers are nothing to scoff at, especially as they have seen over 10% increases in ridership over the last decade, the E train at Jamaica-Parsons sees ridership of over 12 million annually. As for late nights and weekends why not just extend the 6? I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Most of southeast Brooklyn is built out already, the new development would require upzoning and will take time. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. Place station house under tracks in median. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. [8][9][10] On April 28, 1908, the IRT formally applied with the New York Public Service Commission for permission to open the final section of the Contract 2 line from Borough Hall to Atlantic Avenue near the Flatbush Avenue LIRR station. Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. It will cost less. Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. Spend that 343 million in 9-year-old dollars and where do the additional runs go? There is also sporadic 2 and 5 service during rush hours. Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. It will be express. 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The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. Now during service changes where the 2/3 arent running to Bkyln, the 4 will serve Flatbush, the 5 will go to Utica, and a shuttle will run from Utica to New Lots. Between this station and Ralph Avenue, there is a fifth track between the express tracks, which could be used for storage or turning trains, although it is not normally used. Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. Many transit activists I talk to refuse any plan which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city. Theyll meet up down the road. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 Well, actually its curving away but Ave H avoid the curve and take you to it at Albany Ave. And from that point its all residential and there are no freight sidings. And D as well if cut-and-cover is used. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. N,R all times except late nights, W weekdays only, 5 all times except late nights,6. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Additionally, the Fulton-Utica service would have to be local only with an awkward transfer at Utica Ave station. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! The first is that much of the line, as proposed by both IRT and IND engineers, was to be an elevated line. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. 1,2. You are correct that the larger option would require shutting down service which is one reason Im in favor of the smaller option. Just an idea! Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. Theres only four local stations and it could probably crawl through three of them in a skip-stop with the C. You were playing around with skip-stop on Nostrand; maybe itd make sense here. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. Besides, with Utica so far out it would be much better service to have express trains rather than a longer local train. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. 34 St- Penn Station. Given the history of cost overruns and delays that the MTA is infamous for it seems foolish to build a project which requires so many moving parts even before the most important section can be built. 5 all times except late nights, 6. The only For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. Maybe that money would deliver more bang for the buck if applied here. Also (while a 4 track yard is good for Relay past Brooklyn College.) The one on the west (railroad north) is staffed weekdays only and accessed via a wide staircase in place of the end wall of the New Lots Avenue-bound platform. 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